Tony Nobles Ministry

Once saved always saved… From Hell?!?!

Posted on March 14, 2013August 20, 2015 by A.W.Nobles

English: Souls being led out of Hell by Jesus — English souls being led out of Hell by Jesus (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The teaching of “Once saved always saved…from hell” is satanic. “Once save always saved…from the power and slavery of sin” is the Gospel.
Jesus did not save us from hell, He saved us from sin.

Matthew 2:20-21

²⁰But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ²¹She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

Notice that the Angel of the Lord did not say “he will save his people from HELL” but “from their sin”.

When people hear the teaching that once saved always saved, what they normally hear is, ‘Jesus saved me from the consequences of my sin, which is Hell.’ Almost nobody wants to go to hell, so many say, “If and when I sin, I’m OK, because I said a prayer years ago.” Which means to them, do what ever you want because you won’t go to Hell. This is the straight from the Satanic writings that say, “do as thy wilt”.
Jesus came to save his people from their sin, not from Hell. Hell is the result of sin, not the symptom.
If we are saved from the power and control of sin, then that is good news!

Phil 2:12-13

¹²Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, ¹³for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

We are free from the power and control of our flesh, sin, and Satan. We are now able to have the desire for God’s will and the power of God to do His will.
Someone might claim to be a saved from Hell by a prayer they said years ago, but they live under the power of sin, continue to practices sin without conviction (being sorry is not the same as conviction), and think that asking for forgiveness later will appease God. This person is not a born again Christian. They are still in rebellion against God and will be judged by God to hell with the rebellious angels.

Matthew 7:21

²¹“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. ²²Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ ²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

These are the words spoken by Jesus. Notice that there are two different groups that say “Lord, Lord.” One group of people say Jesus is Lord but do what ever they want, and the second group that also calls Jesus Lord are doing many religious and spiritual things. The first group are those that say a prayer and call themselves a Christian but do their own will and expect Jesus to save them from Hell. The second group also said a prayer and call themselves Christian, but they expect not to go to hell because they did good works. Neither group is born again, otherwise Jesus would recognize His spirit that is alive in born-again believers.

The scary part is God’s wrath. His severity remains on all mankind from birth to death, except for those that are born again. Those that have the spirit of God in them are no longer objects of the wrath, and no longer under judgment of rebellion. God recognizes Himself in born again mankind.

John 1:12-13

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—¹³children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
John 3:1-8

Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. ²He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

³Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

⁴“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

⁵Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. ⁶Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. ⁷You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’

Beauty for Ashes, don’t kill the innocent

Posted on August 21, 2012January 6, 2016 by A.W.Nobles

As a male I cannot and do not claim to understand what any woman or girl who has been raped has gone through.
But for anyone to counsel her to kill the unborn child that came as a result of the rape is a monster who is as horrible as the rapist. They would be inflicting more pain and suffering on the rape victim, as she then would have a life long suffering of not only the rape(s) but of the guilt that she is the murderer of her innocent unborn child. The counselor would not relieve the victims grief and pain but would instead multiply it.
And this is what many are pushing as compassion? The real truth is that they can make money from the rape victim’s suffering by charging for the services of abortions. This is an outrage that someone is profiting from the horrors of rape! If this was not true then the abortionists would offer their service of murder for free, at no cost to victim nor the government. The doctors and clinics would cover the cost from their own pockets, and that will never happen in the abortion industry.
I would say compassionate counsel is to encourage “beauty for ashes,” to encourage the mother to choose to give the unborn child a chance at life. What if that child grows up to find the cure for cancer, becomes the next Billy Graham or Mother Theresa, or the first person to step on Mars. Jesus was an unwanted pregnancy (at least for Joseph), and if not for the Angel speaking to Joseph, he would have divorced Mary. If the religious leaders had found out, they would have stoned Mary to death with Jesus in the womb.
To encourage the victim to give new life a chance for something good, or even great, to come from a rape would bring healing and redemption from the evil. Choose life, not the taking of a life.

If a death is required to bring healing to a victim of rape, it should not be the death of the innocent child, but that of the guilty rapist.

Where is the Real Jesus and his Gospel?

Posted on August 2, 2012January 6, 2016 by A.W.Nobles

English: Jesus Christ - detail from Deesis mos... — English: Jesus Christ – detail from Deesis mosaic, Hagia Sophia, Istanbul (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I’ve seen all kinds of responses on Facebook over the last few days, from pure anger at Chick-Fil-A and Bible living and believing Christians to people saying that we as followers of Jesus should not go to Chick-Fil-A to buy a sandwich because it will be seen as offensive to “Gay” people, and that would make it harder to reach them with the “Love of God”. I have even seen some saying that God is love and that what the owner of Chick-Fil-A , Mr Cathy, stands for is not love. Also have read a lot of times that Christians should not judge anyone, for anything, ever. And this all came from people claiming to be Christians!

I think these are examples and expressions of what is wrong with Christianity today in modern America. We have made Jesus into a sissy with a “Victim’s Mentality”, that is more concerned with not offending anybody then setting them free from sin.

This is not the same Jesus that is written about in my bible, to me the “nice, kind, don’t offend anyone Jesus” sounds like a lot of verses about Jesus is either not being read or just deleted, to include all of Jesus in the Book of Revelation, to be able to come up with this anemic one-dimensional version of Jesus. With statistics that show that 85% of Americans classified themselves as Christian, but out of them, only 4 to 9 percent agree with what the bible says and have a Biblical word view, it leads me to think the American church is more concerned about not offending someone than setting people free from sin. Do we no longer believe in the Gospel or that the Gospel has any power to convict? It seems like we don’t want to anyone to be convicted of sin because we may offend them in the process. God help us, we are more concerned about what sinners think about us than letting them know the truth and letting the truth set them free.

The statement “Jesus is Love” is thrown at any mention of sin, and yes He is the fullness of God the Father and the Father is Love, but this “Love”, this term we strap on Jesus, This “Love” box that we keep our American version of Jesus safely packed in, is then made easy to swallow and easy to pedaled for cash and fame. This version of Jesus is closer to a get out of “hell/jail” free card, that barely resemble the King of Glory, who is leading the Armies of Heaven with a Sword on his side.

The Real Jesus that is revealed in scriptures, his first and main message (which happened to be the same as his cousin John the Baptist), was not “come here and give your Jesus a big hug, I just want to love on some people” But it was Repent!

From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” – Matthew 4:17

Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. – Matthew 11:20

Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:31-32

Does this sound like “Free Hugs Jesus” or “Jesus is my Home Boy”? And if people did not get the point that Jesus’ mission was to preach and teach “Repent or Perish” he makes sure to get the point across and says it twice, to really emphasize the point, in case they didn’t get it the first time, Jesus the Highest of Kings, the creator of the universe, repeats himself, (which can’t be a good sign).

Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Luke 13:1-5

Then not only did John preach repentance, Jesus taught repentance, Jesus taught his Twelve Disciple to preach the same message he was preaching, which was…… Repent!

Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. Calling the Twelve to him, he began to send them out two by two and gave them authority over impure spirits.

These were his instructions: “Take nothing for the journey except a staff—no bread, no bag, no money in your belts. Wear sandals but not an extra shirt. Whenever you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town. And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”

They went out and preached that people should repent. Mark 6:6-12

And even after Jesus was crucified and raised from the dead right before he was going to ascend his instruction to his disciples as Jesus explain the scriptures, what had happened and what still must happen.

Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:45-47

And what was the first sermon that was ever preached after Jesus left and sent the Holy Spirit? It was by Peter and what did he say- “Jesus is Love, I don’t want to offend anyone today”? No, he said the opposite. He said, ‘All of You by your sins and actions crucified this Jesus. Repent!’

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.” Acts 2:36-38

Even Paul continued to preach repentance and taught the same as Jesus. While John the Baptist called Israel to repent, Paul teaches that it is God’s will that all men repent.

^“In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.” Acts 17:30-31

“I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.” Acts 20:21

Paul even teaches the same as John the Baptist that repentance of the heart must also be shown in the actions and behavior of the person.

Paul say’s

“First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.” Acts 26:20

This is the same teaching of John the Baptist about repentance.

^“Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.” Matthew 3:8 and Luke 3:8

Paul is not even sorry that he hurt or offended someone, because Paul, the disciples, and the early church understood that love – the kind that Jesus taught- is to tell the truth to so that people will be “cut to the soul” and be “most deeply grieved,” even outraged. Paul even says he did not regret hurting people by telling them the truth, the Gospel of Jesus Christ

^“Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it—I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while—yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.” 2 Corinthians 7:8–10

The question is, what is this Gospel that Jesus taught and instructed his disciple to teach and preach? The answer is in the name of Jesus.

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matthew 1:21

The Good News is not Jesus saves you from hell. Although that would be some good news, it is not the true Gospel. The true Gospel is even better news, it is the best news- that Jesus saves us from the control of sin in our lives. The true Gospel is not Jesus, His work on the cross and resurrection, modifies our behavior like a good psychologist can, or even fixes our sinful and self-destructive behavior with drugs and chemical cocktails like a psychiatrist. All the world and all the other false religions offers are internal or external behavior modifications, which still leaves sin in the heart of the person. They are sitting down on the outside but defiantly standing up on the inside. This human condition is what Jesus called sin, and He gives us a new nature, His nature, the Holy Spirit of God Himself. We no longer have to be slaves to the self-destructive nature.

It would be very BAD news if Jesus’s message was to “Stop being sinful or perish in eternal torment,” when all of humanity could do nothing to change their nature. That would be a horrible God, and awful news, all of humanity would be damned while Jesus hung “Repentance with proof by good Deeds” out in front of all us like a carrot on a stick that we could never attain to.

Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” John 5:14

Why would Jesus tell him and others to ‘stop sinning’ if that were not possible for him? That would be a very mean trick to play on humanity. Jesus spoke life and truth, and the Gospel was for this man and is for us today. Jesus will save you from the power of sin and give you a new nature, His nature, by his Holy Spirit. In your new nature you will have the will and desire to obey Jesus as Lord, and this is very, very good news.

It is also very offensive for two main reasons. One- the person really wants to keep their sin. They just don’t want to exchange their sin for freedom (and most will get very mad when you call their actions and nature a sin and say “stop judging me”). The other is they don’t want to have to obey Jesus. They don’t want the new nature because it wills and desires to do the things of God and they don’t want to ever surrender to God because they are mad at Him and either fight Him or deny He exists. Either way, when they are called to repent and surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and be free from their sin, they respond angrily and sometimes violently. Most of the time when the true Gospel is preached it gets the same two responses and the early church, disciples, and Apostles got, there either got one or the other, riot or revival.

Where is the real Jesus being revealed today by the American Church, and why is it when the American Gospel is being preached are we not seeing riots or revivals? Maybe it is time that the American Church, instead of trying not to offend anyone, took up her cross and preached the real Jesus and his Gospel. After all, in the end it got Jesus and the Apostles (except John) killed for preaching the truth.

All Scripture is quoted from NIV.

Voting God off the Island

Posted on March 27, 2012January 4, 2016 by A.W.Nobles

In America, morality is no longer based on facts and truth but is based on what popular opinion polls say is the majority. Morality is now a vote.

“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Acts 2:34 NKJV

Jesus is both Lord and Savior. The two can’t be separated. Jesus said;

John 14:15 (NIV) If you love me, you will obey what I command.

Again He says the same, leaving no wiggle room.

John 14:23-24 (NIV)Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.”

The sad thing is most people live like, and some even believe, that the kingdom of God is a democracy, as if we can vote on what God has said and decreed. They think if they get enough people to agree with their opinion, or that their sin should no longer be in the “Unlawful” and “Against God” category, that they can change the mind of God by saying “According to the popular vote, everybody agrees with me, which makes you, God, a bigot and a hater of what the people agree to.” As if this would change God’s mind and cause Him to resend His law! Some are even in the mindset that after presenting their popular vote to God and He doesn’t agree with the masses, they will impeach Him, voting God off the island.
This is nothing new and is why the gospel of Christ is so offensive to the rebellious mind. Jesus as savior is great and every body likes a get out of jail free card, but to demand that people surrender their will and life in exchange for eternal life is a very offensive and very different gospel.

Psalms 2
Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the brulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us break
Their bonds in pieces
And cast away
Their cords from us.”
He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
“Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.”
“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”
Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

A response to: Fors Clavigera – An Open letter to Praise Bands

Posted on February 21, 2012April 8, 2017 by A.W.Nobles

Fors Clavigera.

I read James K.A. Smith’s blog post and he brings up three points, mostly centering around a congregation’s ability to sing. But I think the heart of what he is saying is, that if the focus is on the band, then it not about Jesus.

His first point is about volume-there is a place where volume can become so loud that focus the worshipper’s thoughts are on the uncomfortable volume.

His second point is that if we are not all singing the same song, then it’s not worship. I agree and disagree. I think James is trying to make the point that if the band is displaying talent and skill level that is beyond the common person, then the congregation is distracted. It’s less about Jesus as the center of focus and more about the band or musicians.

On this point I’d like to add that when singers are more concerned about changing the key of the song so they can sound their best, and thus putting the song out of most people’s ability to sing, or in a key that is more difficult to play for the musician, then it is more about performance than it about being a servant to the congregation and facilitating worship.

The third point is interesting to me. Almost every church that has “Modern Worship” has the musicians on a stage in front, facing the congragation. This is not the same as in the days of Israel, when the musicians went before the army singing and playing the praise of God. The Israelis didn’t face the army. As a matter of fact, they were between the army and the enemy, facing the enemy, similar to David being between the army of Israel and Goliath. But when I went to my grandmother’s Catholic Church as a young child, the musician’s were in the balcony, out of sight, and the congregation faced the Altar which they believe held the real body and blood Jesus. They believed that Jesus was present on the alter and even bowed when they walked passed the Altar because Jesus was present.

Now the bread and wine are not even present in the service we call worship and the congregation faces the band. What are we really worshiping by our actions?

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